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and thoughtful! As most people who know me know, im a poor, pitiful student (yadda yeadda -Ed) And this means, low monies.
Anyway, thinking on this i was pondering, instead of getting a car someday, to perhpas get something a little smaller and easier to run, insurance wise etc. And onto this, comes the discussion to myself. 'Is it better to get a little scooter, (aka an X9 or similar as is so beloved of
Now, why i hear you asking is he thinking about this when he's obviously not got any money?? thats where the fun comes in kiddilies! its called 'pointless mental exersises whilst waiting for things to happen!' which, in my line of work, what with electrophoresis and centrifuging, can lead to a lot of these moments!
Anyway, this is where you lovely people who actually READ this insight into my mind come in. My request is a simple one..
HELP!!!
Any pros/cons of each would be helpful, so at the very least i can add it to my list of 'things to do when im out of
Muchos thanks in advance, and those who alter my ideas, get hugs!
November 9 2005, 13:18:11 UTC 6 years ago
November 9 2005, 13:22:11 UTC 6 years ago
is NOT nice after a day of work >.<
(somehting they both have in common is they make my life easier)
November 9 2005, 13:23:50 UTC 6 years ago
November 9 2005, 13:25:32 UTC 6 years ago
*ahas!*
see? a vote for the bike already! one up there for the two wheels!November 9 2005, 13:30:32 UTC 6 years ago
November 9 2005, 13:32:40 UTC 6 years ago
A valid point
also true!ALthough cars cost infinatly more to run, pain in the ass to park and heey, as you saw in wakey, bikers get it free!
November 9 2005, 13:38:37 UTC 6 years ago
Re: A valid point
Yes, although I don't think I could ever slip and fall off my car under someone elses passing wheels!And you'll still get cold and wet, you won't be able to take much in the way of luggage.
Plus you'll have further to travel, in the wet and busy roads, as you'll need to either take the main A64 to Heslington or go through the city center - no short-cut over the pedestrian/cycle paths. If you're going to pay anything for better transport than a push bike to work, you may as well save some money and take the bus!
November 9 2005, 13:31:01 UTC 6 years ago
November 9 2005, 13:42:30 UTC 6 years ago
Scooters: pros and cons
+ Cheaper than a car - get a new scoot for the price of a beat-up car+ Road tax £15 a year compared to £75+ for a car
+ Use less petrol than a car
+ Filter through traffic jams
+ In Bristol and some other places, can use bus lanes
+ Park easily, and usually free
+ After taking a 1-day CBT (compulsory basic training) course, can ride up to a 125cc on L-plates for three years - quicker and cheaper than driving lessons, though I'd recommend you get some lessons and take the test
+ Fun!
- Vulnerable
- Need a helmet and the right clothes
- Get wet
- Quite nickable - need a big lock, and insurance can be expensive
- Car drivers will try to kill you, and insurance companies will rule in their favour because bikers are all irresponsible idiots
- Not as much space for luggage or passengers
November 9 2005, 13:49:16 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Scooters: pros and cons
Well, thanks for that! I already hold a full UK driving licence, have done for the last 6 years.so i think i'd only need the CBT ontop of that perhaps?
as for knickability, will just whip something vital off, gotta be some random peice of kit there to add to a lock..
as for the whole killing thing, NOT a great fan of tha tidea, but then again.. no more worry of spontanious death than i do have on a bicycle! and you dont need the heavy jackets and such!
as for price huskie, isnt it possible to get one of those kia ciquentos (or however the forigness is spelt) for about 7 k? was reading on the forums linked form your post that they tend to go for about that..
although a second paw one for 900 is tempting...
November 9 2005, 13:53:15 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Scooters: pros and cons
I think that with a car licence you'd still need CBT and L-plates for anything above a moped, and it's a good idea to get lessons because anything that makes you safer is a plus. But as a cyclist you already know how to balance and steer, and have a good idea of what it's like to be a vulnerable road user.£7K will buy you a 900cc sportsbike in the two-wheeled world!
November 9 2005, 14:00:46 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Scooters: pros and cons
no more worry of spontanious death than i do have on a bicycleWrong - you'll be forced onto the busy main roads to work! Either through York centre or around on the busy (and much faster) bypass. A LOT more chance of death than the quiet (and more direect) pedestrian and cycle paths!
And we've talked about buying cars oodles of times before. There's plenty of sub-£1000 cars that have years of service left. Dog knows knows where this obsession with Kia comes from though.
November 9 2005, 13:56:46 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Scooters: pros and cons
Filter through traffic jamsClipping my mirrors and doors as they go, I HATE it when bikers do this on a busy road. And then I get scowled at by them, presumably for not moving sidewards out of the way or something.
I'd argue that (in my 9 years of driving experience) too many bikers seem to want to get killed. Racing up at warp speeds so as to appear out of nowhere, flying past and back infront, performing death-defying cornering moves while weaving between traffic. I appreciate how you must get a bad rep with insurance, but there really are too many dangerous bikers to have it any other way. It's no more harsh than car insurance being expensive for young new drivers.
November 9 2005, 14:06:05 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Scooters: pros and cons
Well, it's not obligatory for car drivers to move out of the way, but it's nice when they do. Some drivers really seem to resent the fact that a motorbike can get past them and carry on through the jam, and deliberately move to block our path.> too many dangerous bikers to have it any other way
Accident and fatality statistics are high for bikers because bikers are vulnerable. An accident that would leave a small ding in a car can cause thousands of pounds worth of damage to a bike and injury to its rider.
On the whole riders are more observant than car drivers with a better awareness of actual and potential hazards.
November 9 2005, 14:23:57 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Scooters: pros and cons
riders are more observant than car drivers with a better awareness of actual and potential hazardsBest flamebait ever :)
November 9 2005, 14:58:09 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Scooters: pros and cons
OK!! thats enough you two! *puts a huskie on one croner, fox in the other*Shoulda thought.. NEVER *EVER* mentiona nyhitng to do with bikers and cars infront of you two!
well its purely a thought exersize anyway, so dont go killing eachother.. please?
and avon? the day I buy a Robin is the day that satan skates to work in thermal underpants....
SERIOUSLY..
*grin*
November 9 2005, 15:14:53 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Scooters: pros and cons
It would be a ridiculous overgeneralisation to say that the majority of car drivers never look in their mirrors, just as it would to say that the majority of bikers are dangerous hooligans. (Or that the majority of cyclists skip red lights and go the wrong way down one-way streets.)Quote from the X9 forum:
Though you have to wonder what misdemeanour had brought the bikers to the class :)
November 9 2005, 15:26:50 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Scooters: pros and cons
*whistles innocently*Nope, never skipped a read light, but i HAVE gone the wrong way down a one way road.. was at 6 pm at night and in the iddle of nowhere, but i feel i must own up!!
Btw, you MSUT send me some of your *grrs* lapland pics missie! i noticed the evil tease up there in icon land..
and rusty? yes, i KNOW some bikers are evil, but hen agian, when was the last time you saw a moped on the motorway? usually for little pootly bits in towns.
wasnt thinking of getting one whilst in york anywhom, hence the post 'after university'
because lets face it, only time i'll be able to get one!
November 9 2005, 15:34:21 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Scooters: pros and cons
I'm normally very pro-cyclist, but I'm jaded this week because some young chav on Monday night was cycling the wrong way down a one-way street, deliberately swerved into my path and out again, and shouted "SHUT UP F*CKER!" when I beeped at him. Thankfully that's exceptional rudeness, even for London.Did you follow my Lapland posts? Most of my pics got posted; I don't tend to take many photos.
November 9 2005, 14:40:18 UTC 6 years ago
November 9 2005, 14:53:10 UTC 6 years ago
Cars - okay maybe more expensive and a pain int he arse but a lot safer in the long run and you dont get the piss taken out of ya as much. lol.
November 9 2005, 15:39:23 UTC 6 years ago
but all in all yeah moped/scooters rock :D
November 9 2005, 17:01:14 UTC 6 years ago
deathcopter for moving along swiftly in traffic jams. Failing that, four duct-taped milk crates, a Playskool wagon, a torch, and cocktail brolly.Chocks away! ^_^
November 9 2005, 20:20:26 UTC 6 years ago
They're more useful because:
a) You can take passengers in a car. A scooter can't.
b) You can take items (e.g. your shopping, a fursuit, small furniature items, boxes, laptop computers, etc) in a car. A scooter can't.
c) You'll live longer with a car.
d) People can't steal a car by carrying it away.
e) Other people with licenses will be able to drive the car if they need to.
f) A car can be used to rush someone to a hospital. A scooter can't.